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The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.19 17:04:00 - [1] Edited by: The PitBoss on 19/05/2009 17:05:35 Please look into the mechanics of Neutral/Alt remote repping and their Aggression. Current Game Mechanic A Neutral/Alt remote repper can rep someone under attack. The repper is aggro'd to the attacker. The repper DOES NOT get an aggression timer in the effect that they may DOCK UP -or- JUMP through a gate leaving them half assed free for sticking their nose into a fight. There is no real risk for the repper and he may disengage after turning the tide of a battle at ANY TIME. Suggested Fix NORMAL aggression timer when concerning DOCKING & Gate JUMPING. Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.23 04:09:00 - [2] Edited by: The PitBoss on 23/05/2009 04:13:54 Originally by: Caassimolar Read the op in its entirety, the only solution is to blob heavily, is that really a solution you're advocating? if not, give us examples. ok .. let me break it down. I war dec a corporation .... one of its pilots decides to flaunt a ship I can easily kill infront of me. I start shooting the ship ... all of a sudden his ALT (who is hugging a station -or- a warp gate) starts remote repping him His alt is now aggressed to me ... leaving me the option to shoot the original target -or- shoot the remote repper. So if I shoot the remote repper ... he is allowed to dock up or jump through the gate anytime he feels comfortable ... He doesn't have to wait the NORMAL 1 minute de-aggro to do so. In which I could probably kill him during that de-aggro time and punish him for sticking his nose in our war. If I ignore the repper ... i'm fighting a losing battle against a ship i can normally take. So what I'm asking for .. is the NORMAL de-aggro 1 minute timer on the remote repper just like everyone else gets. Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.05.31 15:10:00 - [3] Originally by: Erik Finnegan Supported! You enter in a fight: you are not neutral anymore. We need to start doing something about the neutrals who take sides.... Originally by: Dierdra Vaal Supporting this and bringing it up at CSM meeting #1 AWESOME ... Thanks CSM Erik Finnegan and CSM Dierdra Vaal for responding and letting us know where you stand on this issue. Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.01 00:14:00 - [4] Originally by: Random Womble I also find it ammusing having just realised whos started this thread given privateers love their alts with remote sensor boosting ect last time i checked. Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.07 13:22:00 - [5] Edited by: The PitBoss on 07/06/2009 13:23:57 Originally by: Tortugan @ Supporters- ...yap yap yap... Classic neutral remote rep abuser ... cheap kills ... in his own words Originally by: Tortugan Not quite- 3 volleyed the incursus, and their Domi starting shooting at me (he was the only one who still had aggro iirc). Got some remote reps on me till I could re-dock :) Taken from their own KB: HERE Now its obvious WHY you're basically the only one in this thread who has the problem with any look at this issue ... its been noted ... please move on Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.06.07 18:03:00 - [6] Originally by: Dierdra Vaal this issue was just unanimously passed and will be brought to the CSM/CCP meeting in iceland :) AWESOME ... thanks CSM Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.11 07:56:00 - [7] Edited by: The PitBoss on 11/07/2009 08:05:44 Edited by: The PitBoss on 11/07/2009 08:03:48 Originally by: yani dumyat @ the OP: Getting a buff to station camping by hijacking popular sentiment about neutral RR is truly devious, you should go into politics with a mind like that. Supported because the number of people who've given a thumbs up without thinking makes this thread the troll of the year. Yes hijacking popular sentiment was my ultimate goal But wait ... Sentiment didn't become popular until the subject was brought up and voted on ... so now we're in a sort of time loop according you you. But I like your argument ... making the issue about who brought it up ... NOT what the game mechanic lacks ... Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.11 12:27:00 - [8] Originally by: yani dumyat Adding an agression timer will.... - not prevent neutral RR It probably won't BUT it will make you think twice about sticking your nose into a fight that is NOT yours ... who wants to run the risk of losing a ship if they have to wait to dock LIKE EVERYONE ELSE DOES Quote: - make RR BS's unable to rep each other if they want to jump / dock Maybe its time we look into the WHOLE RR BS thing ... Just like they made Cloaking Devices ... MAYBE RR modules SHOULD be ship specific and hard to kit on anything BUT a logistics ship -or- Impractical to use on ANYTHING BUT a logistics ship. Perfect example for this would be: Why did the alliance tourny ban their use in the last tourny? They realized it drags pvp out AND is potentially the 'I WIN' button. Quote: - prevent null / low sec logistics cruisers from jumping when they are inevitably primaried Why should they get a free pass ... get off the gate just like the ECM pilot does ... the logistics is a ranged ship. Ask ANY ECM pilot ... using the ship on a gate is asking for a kick in the mouth. Quote: Adding aggression mechanics to remote buff modules has far more consequences outside of empire than inside it. But I thought 0.0 was supposed to be the land of milk and honey? Quote: You are never going to get rid of neutral alts altering fights in high sec because any mechanic that can be used by mission runners to provide remote assistance is going to be used by empire war deckers. Once again you're making it an issue of who suggested the fix ... Quote: FYI i've never used a neutral RR alt but if the situation arose then i'd have no hesitation in doing so and don't see how the proposed mechanic would stop me. I have NEVER used a neutral RR alt either ... and the proposed mechanic would make me think twice about using RR if I had to wait JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE to redock or jump if I had aggression for trying to turn the tide of a battle ... Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.11 15:09:00 - [9] Originally by: yani dumyat So you agree with me that the proposal will not prevent neutral RR in empire but will affect RR BS gangs and logistics? ABSOLUTELY NOT Originally by: yani dumyat Originally by: The PitBoss Why should they get a free pass ... get off the gate just like the ECM pilot does ... the logistics is a ranged ship. Ask ANY ECM pilot ... using the ship on a gate is asking for a kick in the mouth. Thank you for pointing out the exact tactic that will be used by empire RR alts to make your suggested fix pointless. If the RR alt in question doesn't have the skills to fly a dedicated logistics ship then use a buffer fit T1 logistics and simply let it die then the alt can dock up and grab a new ship for a few pennies. Those are just two possible tactics but i'm sure there's plenty more ways to make your suggested fix utterly and totally irrelevant. Zombie disposable RR ... while THEORETICALLY possible .. get real .. who's going to do that ... Thats like saying I have a throw away falcon for my station camping As for making Logistics work at range ... I fail to see how that is a work around to a fix? It will put a neutral RR at WAY more risk of losing his ship than he is right now hugging a station ... a fast tackler will catch him with his pants down ... Quote: Any suggestion that makes remote repping neutrals a criminal offense will hurt mission runners and any suggestion that involves adding an aggression timer fails to solve the problem of neutral RR. Catch 22. Exactly how will this hurt a mission runner ... examples please Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.26 23:12:00 - [10] Edited by: The PitBoss on 26/07/2009 23:13:00 Originally by: Tortugan ... Yap Yap Yap ... I was waiting for one of the KINGS of RRing for cheap kills to open his yap ... No Offense but you said it yourself: Originally by: Private Chat [ 2009.07.12 08:39:46 ] The PitBoss > any particular reason your helping that douche bag? [ 2009.07.12 08:43:29 ] Tortugan > Don't mean to sound like a douche- but I'm looking for pew- and seems like RRing a losing battle is the way to find it around here :) [ 2009.07.12 08:43:49 ] The PitBoss > till they fix the mechanic [ 2009.07.12 08:44:25 ] Tortugan > Even then- it'll just get sneakier tbh This is the EXACT reason why I brought up this ISSUE ... Stop hiding behind the facade that its going to kill small gangs ... If you the had skills you wouldn't need to rely on 5 alt accounts Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox

The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.28 04:27:00 - [11] Originally by: BloodSoaked Goddess .... YAP YAP YAP .... the rest of your alliance are as full of fail as the people you accuse ... LOL ... this coming from a former member ... the alliance didn't seem to bother you while you were getting YOUR pvp kills ... for quite a few weeks as I remember. AND just like a TYPICAL woman ... you lost interest, moved on AND now trying to down play the whole experience ... I OFTEN wondered why The Final Stand joined the alliance AND got my answer when I keep getting reports of you guys ACTIVELY hound my pilots to join your FAIL corp ... ANSWER ME THIS: Why did ALL your heavy hitters leave ... probably had something with your pi$$ poor attitude in life which flows into your gaming ... If you remember correctly, your guys entrance was delayed because there was an uproar about The Final Stand entering the alliance because of the way you treated people in our last war ... I stood up for you guys and you were let into the alliance ... now you turn around and accuse us of neutral RR and call me a hypocrite ... I've been in-game for 5 years AND I guarantee I have a better reputation here than you will ever have ... You're an IDIOT if you can't look past the issue thats being brought up because of who brought it up ... IF its such a commonly used PRIVATEER tactic .. its a wonder I'm still in the alliance trying to get it NERFD ... I PERSONALLY have not used a RR ever in game ... as for my pilots ... You of all people should know we operate by one rule ... respect alliance membership ... otherwise they are allowed to play when and how they want ... NOW run along like a good little girl and keep trying to get those cheap kills on us BECAUSE you were too lazy to actually go out and find your own targets ... BTW hows The Junta ... heard your little pets are A$$ deep with some problems ... maybe they should hire us. We're cheap ... like your last post ... Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.29 17:55:00 - [12] Originally by: Keitoshi Yamada I think it's been said here many many times that RR isn't the issue. I think it's also been said here many many times that the lack of an aggression time is the problem. THIS ... time to move on Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.07.30 23:15:00 - [13] Edited by: The PitBoss on 30/07/2009 23:20:42 Originally by: breaky1 PB I know you mean well, but you should clean up your own shop. What's to clean up .. I've never endorsed -or- denounced RR ... I do recall somewhere asking for the mechanics on aggression and jump/dock timer to be looked at ... AND how is bringing up this issue NOT trying to clean up shop? Reposting this for those that are TOO LAZY -or- TOO DUMB -or- BOTH to read the original post .... Originally by: The Pitboss Please look into the mechanics of Neutral/Alt remote repping and their Aggression. Current Game Mechanic A Neutral/Alt remote repper can rep someone under attack. The repper is aggro'd to the attacker. The repper DOES NOT get an aggression timer in the effect that they may DOCK UP -or- JUMP through a gate leaving them half assed free for sticking their nose into a fight. There is no real risk for the repper and he may disengage after turning the tide of a battle at ANY TIME. Game Mechanic Example I war dec a corporation .... one of its pilots decides to flaunt a ship I can easily kill infront of me. I start shooting the ship ... all of a sudden his ALT (who is hugging a station -or- a warp gate) starts remote repping him His alt is now aggressed to me ... leaving me the option to shoot the original target -or- shoot the remote repper. So if I shoot the remote repper ... he is allowed to dock up or jump through the gate anytime he feels comfortable ... He doesn't have to wait the NORMAL 1 minute de-aggro to do so. In which I could probably kill him during that de-aggro time and punish him for sticking his nose in our war. If I ignore the repper ... i'm fighting a losing battle against a ship i can normally take. Suggested Fix NORMAL aggression timer when concerning DOCKING & Gate JUMPING ... which is 14 mins ... which 1 minute of that you can't dock -or- jump. I AM ASKING FOR THIS ... (once again) ... 1. Look into the change of mechanics of RR and aggression ... 2. a 1 minute jump/docking timer ... Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.17 07:02:00 - [14] Originally by: Burseg Sardaukar ...[TEARS]... Your tears are delicious ... thank-you. Uh ... I might be going out on a limb but I would guess you haven't read ANY of the thread and just blind post As for being a hypocrite ... I've never used the tactic AND haven't called for an END to remote repping ... Suggestion: Wipe the tears from your eyes ... and actually read the original post ... Get back to ME on it then .. if you want ... I will have a box of kleenex if need be. Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.17 15:05:00 - [15] Edited by: The PitBoss on 17/08/2009 15:07:16 Originally by: Tortugan :: more troll :: If you'd stop trolling the thread and ACTUALLY read it ... you will find my stance throughout the whole thing ... As for purge my alliance ... this might be news for you ... CCP already tried that ... It didn't work ... maybe try one of your work arounds ... bring more ecm or the blob ... As for insulting people ... I only take shots back when they shoot first Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.08.17 17:37:00 - [16] Edited by: The PitBoss on 17/08/2009 17:41:50 Originally by: Tortugan Honestly I'm done being trolled by you so wont be responding anymore to you or your alts ... Talking to you is like talking to a wall ... you just don't get it because you're too lazy to read the entire thread and get the answer for yourself because all this has been brought up and discussed already ... Just know this ... the CSM have already voted unanimously to bring this issue to CCP ... UNANIMOUSLY ... showing their support and acknowledgement that this is an issue that needs to be looked into ... Your displeasure for the change has been noted ... especially since its a major part of your gaming Enjoy the nerf in the future see you in the next thread I create Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.10.30 20:15:00 - [17] Edited by: The PitBoss on 30/10/2009 20:18:44 Originally by: ZigZag Joe supported (even if the OP is a privateer, who also use neut reppers) I've never used a neutral RR ... and support accepted even though your alliance sux Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.11.02 17:39:00 - [18] Originally by: Inara Subaka Not supported, quit doing empire wars if you don't like the mechanics. If thats you're only fix ... then why should Empire war dec'ers have to quit the way they play their game ... why don't you quit roaming in low sec with RR fleets? Originally by: Inara Subaka Also this. Cute ... what are you 12 ? Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2009.12.28 19:54:00 - [19] Originally by: Loki Farseer ... and I beat people ... End discussion ... Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox
The PitBoss Caldari Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2010.05.06 15:36:00 - [20] Back to the top for the NEW CSM to take a look at this ... Thank-You, The Pitboss (Space between The & Pitboss) Signatures by: Kalen Vox

The PitBoss Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage	Posted - 2010.06.10 15:25:00 - [21] Bump for the new CSM ... Who do I have to sleep with to push this through ? (looks at mynxee) Thank-You, The Pitboss Signatures by: Kalen Vox
The PitBoss Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage	Posted - 2010.11.11 09:59:00 - [22] Originally by: NetheranE I would like to openly inform you Suitonia that your attempts at "de**ging" Dod have been successful! I was in conversation with a pilot that lost his Scimitar to your righeous crusade of undocking in a t1 cruiser, getting into 1v1s, and when you recieved neutral RR, shooting your neutral RR pilots (this would end up giving her a GCC and transferred that to whoever was repping her, popping both their ships via CONCORD). This pilot lamented that your actions wrecked his interest and capacity to play EVE as he had lost his ship and so his capacity to earn ISK. He is now leaving and will most likely biomass his toon. Great job at reducing the player count of the game we are each trying to enjoy in our own way. Ask him if I can have his stuff BTW bump for my thread Thank-You, The Pitboss Signatures by: Kalen Vox*
The PitBoss Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage	Posted - 2010.11.12 02:56:00 - [23] Originally by: Jane Jacobs You already have a thread to stand on your soap box about the war dec system ... Please get out of this one to cry your tears ... Thank-You, The Pitboss Signatures by: Kalen Vox
The PitBoss Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage	Posted - 2010.11.12 10:04:00 - [24] Edited by: The PitBoss on 12/11/2010 10:05:09 Originally by: Double Dee when have you ever risked anything?! The moment I left my NPC corp ... Leave yours .. then talk to me Thank-You, The Pitboss Signatures by: Kalen Vox
The PitBoss Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage	Posted - 2010.11.12 16:43:00 - [25] Edited by: The PitBoss on 12/11/2010 16:44:53 Originally by: Double Dee my main is part of the nc (northern coalition). i am up a decent way up the ladder too. so you better show some respect or your paltry alliance will be the next snack we decide to obliterate. do i make myself clear? silence that's what i thought. Well this is my main ... and I don't write checks with my posts that I'm not willing to pay for in-game ... so keep hiding behind your alt ... ... Any time you want to war dec my alliance .. please feel free ... you know where we hang out ... we enjoy farming your empire dwellers to pay for our real war decs Thank-You, The Pitboss Signatures by: Kalen Vox
The PitBoss Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage	Posted - 2010.11.13 03:40:00 - [26] Originally by: Jane Jacobs ... magic 8-Ball says ... ::yawn:: What do you read into this? ... let me help ... you're boring me and running my thread off topic ... please leave BTW: Post with your main ... dec us .. or STFU ... please choose one Thank-You, The Pitboss Signatures by: Kalen Vox
The PitBoss Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage	Posted - 2011.01.23 01:56:00 - [27] Time for a flare up Thank-You, The Pitboss Signatures by: Kalen Vox
The PitBoss Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage	Posted - 2011.02.02 20:43:00 - [28] Edited by: The PitBoss on 02/02/2011 20:44:03 Originally by: Skex Relbore Simple solutions usually aren't. If you think the solution to any problem is simple then the odds are you just haven't considered it enough. Why should I do a DEVs job? I've simply pointed out a perceived problem ... suggested ... REPEAT ... suggested a fix ... they are the one who need to come up with a fix. They've already voted to do something about the problem ... they just have to get off their collective asses and do something about it ... BUT I guess walking in station is still a priority Thank-You, The Pitboss Signatures by: Kalen Vox
The PitBoss Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage	Posted - 2011.02.05 02:52:00 - [29] Originally by: Skex Relbore How is it said again? Oh yeah... HTFU or GBTWOW. Cute .. you and your girlfriends have a secret handshake too ? Thank-You, The Pitboss Signatures by: Kalen Vox
The PitBoss Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage	Posted - 2011.02.06 08:17:00 - [30] Originally by: Skex Relbore Way to show that you actually have no answers to any of the criticisms of your "idea". ALL of your criticism, as you call it ... have been brought up in the previous 14 pages which you OBVIOUSLY haven't read ... AND have been addressed ... BUT somehow you assume that gaping hole in your head can spout it out better than those who have brought up those issues before ... NOTE: In the previous 14 pages .. it was stated ... the CSM voted to bring the issue to CCP ... they brought the ISSUE to ccp ... CCP said yes there seems to be a problem and we will take a closer look at it ... SAID discussion has been long over for months ... we eagerly await CCP's 'look at it' ... the bump to the thread was a friendly reminder to CCP the issue hasn't gone away so in short .. your 'criticisms' have been heard before and noted .. AND the issue still passed and went to CCP .. so you can rest better ... So in the future .. PLEASE try to read a thread in its entirety BEFORE you put in your 2 cents where its already been given (by numerous others) ... save your money ... there's a recession out there Thank-You, The Pitboss Signatures by: Kalen Vox

The PitBoss Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage	Posted - 2011.07.18 23:32:00 - [31] to the top Thank-You, The Pitboss Signatures by: Kalen Vox

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